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spacedimentio · 26 days ago

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Discovery Carousel Floor Plan

Spent several hours making this in MS Paint because I couldn't find any movie-accurate maps. (These maps, while very handy, don't quite match up.) The second pic is the same map, just with the ladder in the middle because it nicely divides the sleeping and work areas and another perspective never hurts.

Things to note:

I didn't pay any particular attention to proportion.

I didn't specifically label most of the consoles because it's not plainly obvious what they're for. I did not miss a chair at the trio of consoles, there isn't one at that console.

One door has to be for the bathroom but idk which one.

Yes there is in fact a piano, it's from a cut scene of Dave playing it and you can still catch glimpses of it. If you've ever noticed that there's a seemingly random stool amongst all the chairs, this is why.

The walls have several other features that I didn't add; the doors, lockers, and large electronic panels stood out the most.

I had no idea there was a sink let alone two. You'd think one sink would be enough but I guess they don't want to share.

I could only identify which hibernaculum is Kimball's, the other two I took an educated and slightly crazed guess on.

If you'd like to read about my descent into madness trying to figure all of this out, open the read more.

This whole thing got started because I was looking for the piano. If you don't know, there's a small scene of Dave playing the piano which was cut. We've got behind the scenes pictures of him practicing with it.

I also knew that you can still barely see it in the movie, so I set about trying to spot it in the jogging scenes, which show off everything in the carousel. It's actually pretty easy to find, as the first thing I noticed is that there's a random stool amongst all of the identical armchairs. It's a piano stool. Bingo, that's where the piano is, you can even see a little corner of it.

So I go through the jogging scenes trying to find if you can see more of it. You can, almost the whole thing.

I then notice that Frank abruptly changes directions between shots, which is an error I'm surprised isn't on IMDb. (I have since added it myself.)

See look, he runs past the two empty pods, the tanning bed on his right, and the hibernation control console on his left. Then in the next shot, the camera changes perspective and he is running past the tanning bed on his...left? and the two empty pods?? Yep, he's running the other direction suddenly. I go hmm and add it to the masterdraft.

I find a reddit post with a nice compilation of Keir Dullea playing the piano. I'm looking for pictures because I'm going through the movie shot by shot while collecting clips to make AMVs, and while I'm at it I'm closely scrutinizing things for fun and dumping all of my random observations, analyses, and trivia knowledge into a very long tumblr post. (This is the aforementioned masterdraft.)

The reddit post is asking what song Keir Dullea is playing, as there's sheet music displayed on a screen in front of the piano. Now I'm also wondering this. The post has no answer so I start digging. All I can find is a tweet claiming it's Mozart's 12 Variations on "Ah, vous dirai-je, maman", but they don't say if they figured it out themselves or anything. I go on /r/classicalmusic to double check. I get confirmation that it is, in fact, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star as that guy said. I find this exceedingly funny because 1) space haha and 2) Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is for beginners and Keir Dullea doesn't know how to play piano as far as I can tell (although the version pictured is much harder than the preschool one RIP).

I add the picture to my post and then learn that the piano scene was not something that was removed before release like I thought, but was actually in the movie. As it turns out, 17 entire minutes were cut from the movie shortly after the premiere, and those 17 minutes have been found but not released out of respect for Stanley Kubrick's wishes. I then get thoroughly side tracked for several hours researching the lost scenes, which include some more shots of Frank jogging. This perhaps explains why he abruptly switches direction. I make an account for lostmediawiki specifically to fix their frankly pitiful article and add everything I'd found. I won't get into all the details but you can read it right here where I dumped it all. Look in the history if you don't see anything about a slipper because that means some idiot deleted my hard work.

It's now the next day. Detour over, I continue looking through the jogging shots, moving on to Dave climbing down the ladder and getting his food. I'm now trying to understand the locations of everything, but I can't seem to get a grasp on it. I slow down. I start looking closer. I look at the above pic. I look at the gifs. Something's weird.

The food dispenser is on the wrong side of the table.

Why is the food dispenser on the wrong side of the table.

I desperately scour the footage trying to understand. Why the fuck is the food dispenser on the wrong side of the table. It's supposed to be on the right, Dave is to the right of the table when he gets his food, why does it keep showing up on the left. I keep looking. HAL's console is wrong. He has four screens to each side of his panel, plus four additional screens off to the left. They're on the right. There's a locker that's normally to the left of the console, but it's on the right edge of the picture. Then I realize.

The scene is flipped.

I flip the picture horizontally. Suddenly everything is where it should be, so that's indeed what the problem is. But why did they flip it? What is the purpose? I theorize that maybe it was to try to conceal where everything is in the carousel, to make it feel bigger or more impressive.

I start trying even harder to figure out the layout of the carousel. I consult the maps stuckasmain kindly provided us. The layout of the carousel floor is almost right, but it doesn't match. Guess I have to make my own map.

I open MS Paint.

The first jogging scene is very nice and normal, but has two places where you can't see anything, mainly the back of the ring and the front where the camera is positioned. I draw the sleeping area and leave the work area until after the gap can be filled.

The second scene is flipped as we've discovered. This is annoying to contend with but I manage. There's a problem because I have put the ladder at the end of the drawing and it is now revealing things on the other side of the ladder when I don't know how long the drawing should be. I make some notes instead.

Wait one fucking second. What the fuck is that?

Is that a motherfucking sink? Since when was there a sink???

Yup that's a faucet and a mirror. Makes sense, I've just learned there was supposed to be a shower that didn't make the cut and of course there's gotta be bathroom stuff.

Third shot. Finally, stuff that's next to the hibernaculums I've already put down. I add several things before realizing that this shot is also flipped and I'm sticking stuff in the wrong places. What the hell. Alright, ctrl+z and do it again.

But hold on. Wait just one god damn minute.

Is this the same sink???

I spend at least five minutes being convinced it's the same sink, because the faucet being on the left when it was previously on the right doesn't mean anything when the camera is being so fucky. Also because this is a spaceship and space is a commodity. It would make the most logical sense to have only one sink that the astronauts share, especially considering that in the book Frank and Dave have opposite shifts and only spend meals together.

I look closely at the things around it. There is a set of lockers, a big panel, and a door on opposite walls. The first sink doesn't have these things beside it.

It's a second sink. Well ok. Sure. Why not. Toss it on there.

Fourth shot. This time I check first. It's also flipped. What in the actual fuck. Why are three of the four jogging shots flipped.

I discard my theory as to why they did this. I have no earthly idea. Is it just the camera they used? At this point it seems to be purely to inconvenience me as I try to wrap my head around where things are.

I finish the map and it is time to label things I only put generic placeholder labels for. I still don't know what most of said things are for. The detailed maps are once again inaccurate but they do provide a list of ideas the things could be.

I don't know where the doors go. One is almost certainly for the bathroom but which one? Idk. The other could go either to the flywheel or the scrapped shower.

What about the big panels? One is theoretically the Water Waste Recycling Control Panel, which is mysteriously not beside the Water Waste Recycling Control Console in the detailed maps where you would think it would go. No idea about the other panel. Ship-wide life support readings maybe.

The lockers are probably for clothes but the detailed maps insist that one set is actually breaker panels. Idk why you would make your lockers and your breaker panels look the same; imagine being half asleep and trying to get out some socks only to accidentally turn off all the computers. There's also an individual locker beside the breaker panels that's labeled as a space suit locker, which doesn't make sense at first considering those are hanging in the pod bay but it might be for emergencies. (There is an emergency oxygen closet with a spare spacesuit in the book.) There are a lot of things that look like they could be for storage scattered all over the place. I make no attempt to add them to the diagram.

There are 7 consoles total and I have no idea what most of them are for. Obviously the big one has HAL and is the command and communications console. The singular console by the hibernaculums is the main hibernaculum control console. One is the piano. The other four have no visual indications and are never used during the movie. They could be: Reactor Monitoring/Life Support, Climate Control Station, Radar Mapping Control Console, Remote Probe Control Station (they do shoot off some probes in the book), Surveillance and Detection Station, Atomic Engine Control, and Science Station.

Alright well I guess those won't get specific labels. But what about the hibernaculums? The trouble begins again.

I scour the movie for help identifying which hibernaculum belongs to whom. Dave and Frank's are easy, I think. Frank's is the one on the double pod side and Dave's is the one on the single side.

Wrong.

Why wrong.

This is why wrong.

Frank's getting a tan and watching a video message from his parents wishing him a happy birthday. The bed above him is empty. I don't know why they made him a cake he can't have. I bet he wants cake real bad now. I've also just this second as I'm typing this noticed the microscopes. Idk why you would put those beside the tanning bed and not at one of the work stations. For the close-up ig.

Next two shots.

Ok well I guess he's gone to bed. Next shot then.

HUH??? Why did they cut it like this? Is this a time skip? Is it the next day? Did Frank have two birthdays? Is he rewatching it? What is happening.

The birthday message continues uninterrupted. You get a very close view of his nipple at one point. I am once again reminded of the essay about Frank's homoerotic shorts.

Alright well that cleared up nothing. Let's consult the scene where Dave is standing there sketching the hibernaculums, because I know for a fact that Frank is seen sleeping in that shot.

...Did I mention I'm bad with faces? I label the two hibernaculums appropriately. Now let's see who the other three belong to.

I look. I look some more. There's nothing.

Every close-up is too close to tell which hibernaculum it is and every shot where you can tell you can't see what name is on it. The only names you see up close are Kimball's and Kaminsky's, and they both have two initials on the end so you can't pick it out based on the general shape of the text. Half the time you can only see the end of the name because there's a big fat line of reflected light that blocks out the rest of it aka the bane of my existence. I'm terrible at faces so that's no help either.

Eventually I find this shot during the interview.

This is the only shot that contains both a name and a piece of the surrounding environment. That bit of white thing in the top right corner is the foot of the other hibernaculum in the double pod. Finally, I can tell which one I'm looking at.

But the name is so blurry. I once again turn to MS Paint to save me. God bless MS Paint.

It's hard to tell, but it looks more like J.R. than V.F and nothing like a C for Charles. It's a little easier to make out on the full shot above. Satisfied, I summarily slap Kimball's name on the left double hibernaculum. What about the other two?

Zip. Zilch. Nada.

But then, a light

There's a bit of yellow lighting near the single. It's unclear if this is shining on the actual hibernaculum where you would be able to see it in a close-up, so I keep looking. I have reached Charlie Day Conspiracy Board levels of desperate. I still don't find anything else so I start searching for more of the yellow light. It's never on the double, only the single, but is it possible for it to be seen on the face area? If it can't, then it tells me nothing.

...Good enough! I conclude this is Charles Hunter and the right double must be Victor Kaminsky.

How can I conclude this? Well, there isn't any yellow lighting or reflections on any of the close-ups. The only close-ups we see are for Kimball and Kaminsky. Process of elimination. It's not exactly concrete evidence but it's literally the only thing I could find. Ultimately, who is where doesn't matter all that much.

I wonder why there was no close-up of Charles Hunter which might have made this easier. After all, why would they show Kimball twice during the life functions terminated scene? I remember that the three doctors used to be Victor Kaminsky, Jack Kimball, and Peter Whitehead, and that those are still the names used in the book. I become willing to bet that there is no close-up of Charles Hunter because it still says Peter Whitehead on the pod. I have no evidence supporting this.

I nod my head sagely at my theory and complete my map. I come to consciously understand that there are actually two distinct areas, the area with all the hibernaculums, and the area with all the work stations. I make a second version of the map with the ladder in the middle because it neatly sections off these areas. I add my map to the detailed maps post, then come make this individual post so people can see it in the tag. I proceed to get unhinged in the read more, which is just something that the Space Odyssey series does to me and which I've learned to accept. Such is hyperfixation.

The worst part of all of this is that I'm still not done looking for the piano.

#2001 a space odyssey #2001 aso #reference material #maps #dave bowman #keir dullea #frank poole #gary lockwood #ngl i got unhinged about my research in the read more #come for the information stay for the journey #image id in alt text

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